Apologies but the miss rule again

Ged McDonald (Liverpool Snooker League) | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011

1. Apologies for posting on the miss rule but can someone confirm that at amateur level if a player attempts to swereve out of a snooker then an automatic miss MUST be called?

2. If a player attempts a swerve, a miss is called, balls replaced, he then goes off a cushion and narrowly misses does the ref have to call a misss because the player missed the first attempt via a swerve.

3. Does playing with any side, or extreme side constitute a swerve?

4. In a handicap league match should the referee take into account the standard of the player, based on their handicap, before deciding whether to call a miss eg a +45 player gets more benefit of the doubt than-21?

I know these all seem obvious but I have just returned from a match where these issues came up and I thought I was confident in my knowledge but the discussions have planted seeds of doubt in my mind.

Tony Cook (Cleveland Billiards & Snooker League) | Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2011

1. There are no automatic misses in amateur snooker, only the Pro game has a miss called for everything automatically no matter how close the come to hitting the object ball.

2. No, the ref will judge each individual attempt on its own merits.

3. Swerve is irrelavant in the miss rule, if u swerve and miss by a lot, it will be called a miss, if u swerve and miss by a centimetre then it may not.

4. Yes, they ref should take into account the players ability. This makes the task much harder for amateur refs than pro refs who just call a miss for everything. So give your local ref all your support as its a very tough job.

Tony Cook (Cleveland Billiards & Snooker League) | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011

An update on point number 3.

Ive just read in an update that when playing a swerve and you hit the the intervening ball then a miss should always be called.

Also, as with any other escape, when playing a swerve and you miss by a millimetre, a miss may still be called if you have an easier one cushion escape shot available to you.

Ged McDonald (Liverpool Snooker League) | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011

Tony,

Thanks for your replies.

We received something from the English Amateur Association in 2009 regarding the miss rule and your latest response seems to fall in line with their advice - I wasn't sure if this was still current good practice in the amateur game.

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Ged McDonald (Liverpool Snooker League) \| Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 1. Apologies for posting on the miss rule but can someone confirm that at amateur level if a player attempts to swereve out of a snooker then an automatic miss MUST be called? 2. If a player attempts a swerve, a miss is called, balls replaced, he then goes off a cushion and narrowly misses does the ref have to call a misss because the player missed the first attempt via a swerve. 3. Does playing with any side, or extreme side constitute a swerve? 4. In a handicap league match should the referee take into account the standard of the player, based on their handicap, before deciding whether to call a miss eg a +45 player gets more benefit of the doubt than-21? I know these all seem obvious but I have just returned from a match where these issues came up and I thought I was confident in my knowledge but the discussions have planted seeds of doubt in my mind.
Tony Cook (Cleveland Billiards & Snooker League) \| Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2011 1. There are no automatic misses in amateur snooker, only the Pro game has a miss called for everything automatically no matter how close the come to hitting the object ball. 2. No, the ref will judge each individual attempt on its own merits. 3. Swerve is irrelavant in the miss rule, if u swerve and miss by a lot, it will be called a miss, if u swerve and miss by a centimetre then it may not. 4. Yes, they ref should take into account the players ability. This makes the task much harder for amateur refs than pro refs who just call a miss for everything. So give your local ref all your support as its a very tough job.
Tony Cook (Cleveland Billiards & Snooker League) \| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011 An update on point number 3. Ive just read in an update that when playing a swerve and you hit the the intervening ball then a miss should always be called. Also, as with any other escape, when playing a swerve and you miss by a millimetre, a miss may still be called if you have an easier one cushion escape shot available to you.
Ged McDonald (Liverpool Snooker League) \| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011 Tony, Thanks for your replies. We received something from the English Amateur Association in 2009 regarding the miss rule and your latest response seems to fall in line with their advice - I wasn't sure if this was still current good practice in the amateur game.